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eht123 · Apr 15, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

The QQ in this thread is epic.

Here's how it works: If you don't like it, don't buy it. Pretty simple, really.

I for one, will be buying them:
- The convenience of not having to switch to a mule or another account is worth it to me.
- I don't mind supporting a company that makes a game that I've enjoyed playing for the last four years.
- I just can't get that worked up over $40, no matter what it's for.
- Minipets don't stack...

Bryant Again · Apr 15, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

Can you give some examples just to make it more clear? I agree with the imp and partially with skill packs but storage update for me would fit in this cathegory same as BMP for which items almost nobody uses...

Also having 10000 more money does not give any advantage as can be noticed by fow armor wammos with chaos gloves trying their luck in RA....

Well you're pretty much on the right track: I wished that the only thing you could be from the ingame store were products that only concerned themselves with appearance and not function, i.e. armor/weapons/mini-pets/etc. (or at least *basic* function)

Targren · Apr 15, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

It's not just type in your credit card and it's all done. The credit card company charges a fee, the people at ANet doing the paper work on the transaction need to get paid (billing and collections people plus accounting), Electric bill needs paid, as does the bill for the modem lines that receive their transactions.

Those are operating expenses. They are not part of the transaction fee and no accountant with a clue is going to calculate them into individual pricing.

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Learn how the real world works, kthxbye.

Irony.

CyberMesh0 · Apr 15, 2009, 03:13 PM // 15:13

I seem to recall a great many Guru'ers willing to shell out $10 for something like this. Besides, they'll be doing a 4th year promotion for a free tab anyway.

Shewmake · Apr 15, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Obviously there is inconsistency in the pricing (unless the ease of not having to use characters for storage accounts for the rest 0.o), but I'm not planning on buying it anyways.

Cab Tastic · Apr 15, 2009, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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I think that I've had pretty good value out of this game after playing for 3 years or so. If I needed more storage i wouldn't even think about paying the
$10, it would get bought. I mean, come on its like the price of a pizza over here in UK land.

Qing Guang · Apr 15, 2009, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Honestly, I'd completely forgotten about the "big storage update", but when I first heard about it I did assume that it would be free. I think I forgot because I didn't much care - kind of went "Oh, a bit more storage, that's nice" and proceeded to go off and do a mish and forget it entirely.

Frankly, I've survived with 4 or fewer tabs for almost 2 years (didn't get Proph until 6 months after I started and then waited another 3 to get NF), so I don't mind. Just means my characters have to carry their own junk. From what I see they've fixed my main problem, as we're now getting equipment packs (and that was my the only difficulty I was having - hauling around my characters' 5 sets of armor and 7 different weapon sets took up 70% of my inventory).

So I don't see how this is a big deal. If people wanna pay, they can pay; if they don't, they have to live with 4 (or 5 with the giveaway) slots, same as they've done up until now. We've survived on 4 for a while - so why do we complain when they give us the option of getting more while trying to make a little money themselves (and I'd rather they sell optional things than charge a subscription fee - wouldn't you?)

So I won't be buying one, because I don't see the point in paying 10 bucks (something I have only rarely) to buy a storage tab when I could easily buy a new character for that much (and I've been dying to get a ranger). But I'm not going to begrudge them to those who are willing to pay, not am I against people funding the company that runs our game.

Besides, I doubt a "boycott" is going to do anything. The only people who will do it are those who wouldn't buy the slots anyway - the people with cash will still buy them. So in effect you're not really taking away any revenue - and note that they would lose more if they gave away slots for free.

Not to mention the fact that Guru, as I've stated in other threads, provides a skewed sample of the population (we tend to be angrier and more "the end is near" than the general population). So if a large percentage of even the people here doesn't really care... then probably most of the general population don't care either. Seriously, every time ANet gives us something (or sells it to us - doesn't matter, they're still offering something new) some tiny minority of the community takes it upon itself to whine as loudly as possible that it's expensive/it's gamebreaking/it doesn't reward things in the past that it had no method of tracking/it doesn't affect them/it affects them. And they come to Riverside and cry about it. Occasionally, they're right. But mostly they're just loud. And annoying.

Phineas · Apr 15, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Cab Tastic

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I think that I've had pretty good value out of this game after playing for 3 years or so. If I needed more storage i wouldn't even think about paying the
$10, it would get bought. I mean, come on its like the price of a pizza over here in UK land.

Tell mum to shop at Iceland... 10 pizzas for £10

My small voice on this small matter is that while storage is worthy of being purchased, it would need to be at a price that made me want to choose that over a new character slot or separate account. Whilst it remains the same price as a character I see no benefit. Character swapping is not a bother and the XTH benefits have already been highlighted.

However, I only have one account and all the chars I will ever need and intend to just 'make do'. I've managed for this long, so hey.

Alleji · Apr 15, 2009, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I thought we'd just have to pay in-game money to unlock the storage, kinda like in WoW. Then I was surprised to see that anet wants 10$ per tab for it. Aside from the fact that I didn't even expect them to do that, 10$ is too much. You can already buy a new character slot for the same price, which comes with more than twice as much storage (20+5+10+10 = 45 slots, as opposed to 20 from one tab).

I'm not raging over it or anything. To me it's just another thing anet hyped up and then did not deliver.

Lonesamurai · Apr 15, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Alleji

I thought we'd just have to pay in-game money to unlock the storage, kinda like in WoW. Then I was surprised to see that anet wants 10$ per tab for it. Aside from the fact that I didn't even expect them to do that, 10$ is too much. You can already buy a new character slot for the same price, which comes with more than twice as much storage (20+5+10+10 = 45 slots, as opposed to 20 from one tab).

I'm not raging over it or anything. To me it's just another thing anet hyped up and then did not deliver.

Not really...

considering the new tabs are only one part of the storage Update

but hey, we also know there is more coming that we don;t fully know about

Daesu · Apr 15, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Targren

Read carefully. I will use small words. Operating expenses, including utilities and salaries, have to get paid even if zero panels are sold. They are NOT part of production cost. They are part of the cost of running the business.

Ok, I'll bite. So where is the money coming from to cover the cost of ongoing operating expenses?

Pleikki · Apr 15, 2009, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

I'm fairly sure that there will also be free upgrades to storage.

This, but yeah could care less i dont need more storage and not gonna buy more, i just delete items that wont fit on inv/storage

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 15, 2009, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Alleji

I thought we'd just have to pay in-game money to unlock the storage, kinda like in WoW. Then I was surprised to see that anet wants 10$ per tab for it. Aside from the fact that I didn't even expect them to do that, 10$ is too much. You can already buy a new character slot for the same price, which comes with more than twice as much storage (20+5+10+10 = 45 slots, as opposed to 20 from one tab).

I'm not raging over it or anything. To me it's just another thing anet hyped up and then did not deliver.

I live 5 miles from work. I could walk there but it might take me 50 minutes to an hour to get there. I can drive my truck, although it is going to cost me to do so, and it will only take me ten minutes. I gladly pay for the cost of gas for the convenience and time saving. Those are my options, I choose which one is right for me, others may choose differently.

Sir Scorn · Apr 15, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

You know, you can get Guild Wars on Newegg.com for $9.99. Why not do that for the extra storage space instead? You'd also get extra character slots too.

Orange Milk · Apr 15, 2009, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Well Targren, that two people who have asked where that money comes from I'll be the third.

And you can't say "other" products or "investers" because if the "other" products pay for the Operating expensses then what pays the "other' products production costs?

And you can't say "Investors" because no one is going to invest in a company that has no idea what it's bottom line is.

Here's two Terms, learn them, figure out the differences then come back:

Gross Profit

Net Profit

KTHXBYE

Gun Pierson · Apr 15, 2009, 04:57 PM // 16:57

You know what would be funny? Anet reacting with: 'We drop the project alltogether, forget about the April update, we'll continue with next month's skill balance'

Lourens · Apr 15, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

You know what would be funny? Anet reacting with: 'We drop the project alltogether, forget about the April update, we'll continue with next month's skill balance'

Now that would be pretty cool.

Targren · Apr 15, 2009, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Well Targren, that two people who have asked where that money comes from I'll be the third.

And you can't say "other" products or "investers" because if the "other" products pay for the Operating expensses then what pays the "other' products production costs?

And you can't say "Investors" because no one is going to invest in a company that has no idea what it's bottom line is.

Here's two Terms, learn them, figure out the differences then come back:

Gross Profit

Net Profit

KTHXBYE

You really need to not self-own so hard. Seriously.

Net Sales = Sales - Sales returns (of which there will be 0 since OLS doesn't allow returns)
Gross Profit = Net Sales - Cost of goods sold
Net Income = Gross Profit - Overhead
Net Profit = Gross Profit - Overhead - Interest +/- "1-offs" = "Bottom Line"

These terms apply to the business as a whole. Note how "Cost of goods sold" is SEPERATE from "Overhead", and for good reason.

Please stop posting now. You're hurting my faith in humanity.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 15, 2009, 05:19 PM // 17:19

@the poll

Couldn't care less. Not "could care less," which means something completely different (and is one of the most vague expressions in existence).

Targren · Apr 15, 2009, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Again, how do you pay for the Overhead if not with the profits from sales? A question you failed to answer that 3 people asked you.

And I didn't answer it because it's a fatuous question you set up as a strawman when I said that "Overhead" does not belong in the calculation of "Cost of production". I never said anything about paying for overhead other than out of income (you don't pay for overhead out of profits. "Profits," generally used to mean "net profits" or "bottom line", are what's left after you pay the overhead, costs, etc... See my equations above.). I said you were including things in the cost of the item that did not belong there, and you were.

You can throw all the ad hominem attacks you like, beat the crap out of all the strawmen you need to to make yourself feel smart, but at the end of it all, you were wrong, you were talking out your hindparts, and you got called on it.

And since you're so into advanced economics, go look up the term "Marginal Cost", and think very very hard on how that curve might look for software.